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U get luck now at least U skool 4 yanki 4 u is a matter of time you will get there hope you try BG Group?
thanks for the advice, but i really think u should com back
I am glad that people are now beginning to open up and share their experiences and hopefully lots of monies could be saved..lol
@slimboi,
just like CRIS said, just be optimistic, everyone has his own destiny.
Dont discourage people from coming down here,just be +ve.
It's not easy anywhere, not even in Nigeria or in d US.
Just started my own MSc in September, i'm not boasting but believing in the Almighty God that brought me out here, i know i'll not be abandoned.
I have that strong believe that b4 i round up, @ least three lucrative jobs will be waiting for me.
Just be +ve and agressive in job hunting and most importantly put your trust in d almighty, if u do all these i just said, we'll be hearing ur testimony soon-it's well man. Peace. 1love ;)
I think u missed the point , u know. I never discouraged any one to go over seas and do masters programmes, if not for anything, the exposure is insightful and very awe inspiring. What i wanted was to let my brothers back understand the situation over here and then make an informed decison about the studies abroad.....I Could never really discourage anyone who's got teh means to do it by any chance...just telling the true situation, that's allQuote:
Originally Posted by CHAIRMAN1
coolrollziggy, i bet u! if u should come to AKS n mention that forex trade, the people here will bury u alive. People invested their hard earned money in forex trading and the agent ran way with their money on the day they were supposed to be paid. if i should have my way, i will leave naija in a jiffy. if u have an opportunity of going to UK to do menial job while u save some money to start ur MSC OR MBA, tell me , won't u leave this dead country?
I have read all the tread that has been posted here.
To be very truthful with you all, the educational system in naija can NEVER be compared to what you will have in uk. Uk education is highly placed, more practicals and less theories, lecturers are mostly consultants with 20 and more years of working experience.
Yes, they prefer their oyibo people to blacks, what about ethnicity affecting the nigerian employment scheme. People wan employ their brother and their sister for company before dem consider another person, so wat is the difference?
If oyibo skull for naija, wen dem wan employ, who dem go take first? Its the same thing everywhere.
I know people that have gotten jobs with very good companies in the uk, earning very fat allowances. I even know a guy that had more than 2 job offers and scholarship to continue with his phd, he did not even know the one to choose.
God's favour+hardwork is the key. If you have the desire to study abroad, u can go. If u dont have the interest you can forget about it. Whether in naija or uk, na God dey give job. Graduates dey waka for naija street, dey sell for market, dey push wheel barrow, dey hawk for street, dey drive bus, no be only for uk.
So everyone, make ur own choice and dont discourage anyone that has interest. Because one person did not have a job does not mean another person will not have.
Please! please!! please!!! let people with the experience of living and studying in the Uk notes. Slimboi is not discouraging anyone from going to do MSC.
What he is sayings is that it is not as we think it is. Yes before i went for an MSC in the UK i was like men once i et my Msc i will be hot cake the jobs en! mind u i have studied in Dublin prior to that.
One thing is that Nigerians lie alot in terms of what they do in the UK. They tell their friends back home that omo i have this job pay is fat obviously it will be when u multiply it by 250 naira. But he doesnt tell u that the British govt collects almost half of that as tax. That if u get the job. 95% of the time we dont. U see God is good to us all but he wont give us wat is not possible.
Getting a job in Uk for the oyibos sometimes is based on who u know as a prof of mine told me that for his daughter to get on the management traniee program for a well known company he had to use his links to the Chairman who he taught in my same university along while ago.
In naija same thing u need to know someone it happen everywhere. As i said b4 its better they dont give u the job not becos u are not good but cos u are from naija before considering the fact that u are black. I ve been there. At least in naija we'd say the person get leg.
I am back in Naija now working andund enjoying life and i am free. U wont understand thats why i started this with "let naija with the uk experience say reply dis thread" people who started their msc in sept dis year do not count as una just reach there so u never know wats up.
I had to do 30 interviewa all with same answer....sorry!!!! i know say i good.
I really appreciate the fact that you tried to buttress the fact that i was trying to make all along in this thread. but the thing is that most people hardly read thru any thing these days before casting aspersions here and there and like u rightly said most folks here lie a lot ....it's very imperative that people back home understand the way things works here so that they would be thoroughly informed ahead pf such big decisions as to come and study for Msc degree in the UK and i re-iterate once again, i am not and will not in any way , discourage any one with the means to go abroad for masters programme.Quote:
Originally Posted by linxman
@Slimboi
Of course you're not discouraging anyone, at least i speak for me. The fact remains that a good financial grounding can buy u comfortably an opportunity(s) to see the world. I always love referring to things that concern us from Maslows point of view.(Mazlows Theory)
Guy, na person wey chop first go fit seek self actualisation. No matter how learned you are, what we hope to do with the knowledge is to better ourselves and our world too. But it starts from us.
Am sorry Kay but i seem to have missed the point you are trying to make.....Could you please try to explain to me please...Quote:
Originally Posted by kayJava
I think it is Good if ur parent/ family member has a company in Nigeria and they are willing to make use of ur experience in devpt and in return u earn ur daily living with the hope of establishing on ur own later in life. otherwise stay back and do the menial jobs for now to gather enough cash to start up. getting a job in Nigeria is not that easy or whom do u know?
If anyone with a good grade so much wish to study abroad, why not try the available scholarships? at least 12months of masters degree to start with. though, it may require several attempts before u are considered at least it wont be ur money but a great favor from God. if therefore u av a substantial amt of cash for now, pls do not spent it on uk study, except ur parents/family are very rich and supportive , invest first and let ur money start working for u. then u can travel and ur money is still working and u are paying ur uk study fees without stress and if at the end u decide to come back, sure ur working money/company is waiting for u!!!!!
anyway that is the plan I am executing presently. I av a Bsc and an Msc in one of the best schools in Nigeria. yet I'm still eying a UK study but I dare not leave for the UK now! so I'm presently building my investment and still applying for scholarships (God willing!) and if otherwise, I will still go and by then I must be a very big person and if I decide to come back, definitely not to work for anyone but my own very investment. 1 love!
Astute thinking........am sure it'll work out for just the way u plan it.Wish you the very bestQuote:
Originally Posted by omoopemipo
@ anchorinstitute, I'm into NDT and fabrication. My address is [email protected]. You can inbox with details.Quote:
Originally Posted by anchorinstitute
Thanks
@Slimboi, I want to appreciate you for initiating this thread. I see this as the beginning of revolution in Nigeria.
@All, I also thank you for your contributions and sensitisations.
The problems most Nigerians are facing is that they don’t “know thyself”. If you know yourself, you know what you are capable of doing and the result you get afterward.
I see it as a total madness after spending so much money in the UK educational system, you use the same hard earned degrees in washing their plates, sweeping their streets and even serve as security guards.Why don’t we borrow a leaf from the Indians and the Chinesse. After studies, they return back to their countries to contribute their quota. Even though its small individually, they get a large output collectively.
Or better still, if you have decided to do the so-called menial jobs in another mans’ country, why not do it in your country so that you will be recognised and rewarded afterward. If you channel the energy you put into macdonalds to mr. biggs, biggs will go global.
I know a computer scientist, after graduation he had no job. He employed himself voluntarily by controlling traffic in the mornings and evenings but after about 5-7yrs of selfless service, the governor of Delta State called him and asked for his request. Immediately, he was employed, given a tear rubber toyota corrolla XLE car and a house of his own. These are the kind of initiatives I like Nigerians to have, I know its not easy but time solves all problems whether big or small.
Its just a shame that we have the best brains but they are being wasted in foreign lands. I am also aware of the fact that the government and the entire system is bad but collectively we can bring the CHANGE the system need.
I love you all…!
@ Cross12,You made a valid point.You hit the nail straight in the head!Thumbs up! I concur with on all you have said.Having a UK certificate doesnt guarantee anyone a job gotten soo easy.You have to make your certificate work for you.A first degree doesnt take anyone far on his/her job.If anyone has a job using his/her first degree and wants to give it up for a masters abroad,I would let the person realise that his UK certificate will not guarantee him a good job immediately.You must make your certificate work for you.You have to go to the right places,mix with the right people,have the right company and above all get God involved in all you do-the sky will only be your starting point.
The person that started this person should please not corrupt the minds of our young nigerians aspiring to go abroad for their masters becos it didnt work for you doesnt mean it hasnot worked for alot of Nigerians that have given up thier jobs for a masters degree abroad.I hve countless no of nigerians it has worked for.
You may want to re-read my posts before concluding the fact that am trying to corrupt the minds of people that want to travel abroad and i say this for the umpteenth time, i am not in any way discouraging anyone that wants to travel abroad for masters , just making them realize that it is not an automatic visa to employment as many people think..Quote:
Originally Posted by bumsy2k3
all have spoken well. when luck brings good fortune to u, u will think that what u have, how, where and when u acquire it is the best. It is more of God, let's ask Him for His grace to succeed every day. It is well.
........Fear is a sort of negative feeling not a reality.......just at the point of your losing hope there is God bringing you what he had been preparing for you .....QNS is will u be there just at dat time or u wont....I KNOW GUYS DAT ARE IN SHELL n ALL OTHER OIL COMPANIES with good PAYCASH but do u know the mistery...they dont have M.SC and infact they dont have time for now for that......wat do we call that? guys na baba God dey do am o 4 REAL.....BUT U HAVE TO MAKE A STRONG NETWORK TO PREVENT A LONG NETWORK! NETWORK GOD FIRST AND serve Men to startup......I'M a graduate too believing on God and showing my humble service to successful career colleagues
@ Geology i dont think after doing an MSC in the UK u will want to stay back and wash dead bodies due to the fact that there is lite in the UK. I mean there is light but the bills are humongus!!! remember if u no pay they will not cut u off but charge you 100pounds[250,000 naira] before taking u to court. As u know now in naija if u know ur way just sort nepa 5 hundi and u are up again.Wetin i de try talk my bro na if u don go school u no go fit do am and if u wan do am please do am for naija make our country for better
Unemployment no de UK. UK citizens no wan work cos if dem wan work dem go get am as in sharp sharp. I had a senario at work a lady {oyibo-uk citizen} tell me say e go pay am more to stop work make she tell her Govt say make dem de pay am as she get one pickin. Govt go pay am times 5 of wetin she de earn for work and wetin she de earn for work no be beans oh.
Even those of us wer get the British Pali sef e no easy like that cos in the UK we still get 1st class brits, 2nd class brits, 3rd class brits
all i am saying be say e no easy as we think!!!!
personally i think it very wise to travel abroad for quality education especially if one can afford it.Its a personal thing...some go for self development, others see it as a way to make themselves more employable in the job market...whatever the reason getting world class education is an opportunity you should grab with both hands if fate brings it your way..even if it means inconviniencing yourself a little to get it..the knowlegde and exprience alone and the depth it brings is unmatched by what any local unversity can offer...so why settle for less?
This is a topic I have always wanted to comment on.
I also graduated from RGU with Masters degree in Oil and Gas Engineering in 2007. If I had the ability of hindsight, I would have done the following things differently:
1. I would have selected a different university: The class size for the Oil and Gas Engineering course was too large for my liking and coupled with the fact that it was made up of about 99% of nigerians, it didn't offer a great international diversity and feeling. Also, a smaller class offers the lecturer more chance of knowing his students better and the learning experience would be much greater. Despite this, I do not regret going to RGU as I met some truly fantastic people I can call brothers and also, I believe God took me there for a reason. God is in charge of all my affairs.
2. I would have preferred obtaining more experience before the Masters: From my experience of job search all the way from UK, after my Masters, till date, I would have definitely preferred obtaining experience before the Masters. Experience opens the doors quicker than all the gatherings of academic qualifications. Experience shows employers that you can hit the ground running. Despite the fact that most jobs I applied for were graduate jobs and I had quite an impressive profile, rejection letters just kept on coming. Not to get me wrong, there were one or two people who were fortunate to get jobs in my class but some of them lost those jobs when the recession started.
After a couple of months after we turned in our project work, I was able to secure a job from UK with an indigenous Nigerian petroleum firm through referral. The job is what most people would die for (as per the salary which in Oil and Gas Industry would be among the low class for engineers), but as I always aspire for the best, I have been on the look out for a better company since I got the job at the beginning of 2008. So in my "Nigerian" job search, I have written various tests and its so frustrating, no disrespect to anyone, that Experienced people, Masters degree holders, BSc, HND, OND holders are all bunched together to write these tests. The companies end up calling thousands of people (maybe I am exaggerating) and the process is so tedious. Can't they do proper sorting? Anyways, cutting the long story short, I have not obtained my desired job/company.
Let me also quickly add that since the end of the Masters course in 2007, some of my classmates are still yet to obtain proper company jobs and are just getting by. Some are planning on coming back to Nigeria, some are considering PHDs...
To summarise, I would advise anyone planning on going for a Masters degree abroad, in the present recession climate, to think critically and objectively especially if it involves quitting a job. Think of your own personal circumstance, your finances, the impact of your decision on not only yourself but on loved ones. For example, although I am yet to get the desired job/company I am seeking, I am considering leaving my present job to become an Entrepreneur as I am not developing professionally and technically. To alot of people, its a mad decision. Why don't I stay and just keep trying to get that other job??? Well, before I know it, I would have spent 24 months in a job I have not grown technically and how do I account for that??? That to me is the key question. So, I would rather work for myself. Like I said, know your personal circumstance. I can afford to take that kind of decision. Not many people can. So, if you feel deep down to your soul that going for a degree abroad is the best thing for you, by all means chase your dreams, don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Nothing ventured, Nothing gained. The world belongs to those who are willing to take risks. As long as you persevere, you'll get there.
we need more responses please!!
I actually wish people will understand, but they can't because I didn't either till I got here for my MBA. I had a good job in an oil service company in PH but decided to resign and come to the UK for my MBA too, it sounded so mad an idea to many of my friends and relatives that I wanted to leave that my enviable job, that I had to lie to many people I'm on study leave.
Now the course is over but believe me my people, things are not looking up yet in the UK. Only the UK economy is still in recession amongst the developed economies as most of them have started picking up. And the "British Job For British People" nonesense they've just started is not helping we the foreigners who pay three times what their citizens pay in fees.
I have not given up anyway, I am currently processing my post study work permit, but much more than I apply for jobs here, I apply for jobs in Nigeria & Ghana. Hopefully, by the middle of next year, UK economy would have started picking up.
One GREAT advise I have for fresh graduates however is that, spending so much on masters abroad does not seriously increase your chances of getting a job either abroad or in Nigeria. Here in the UK particularly, they value experience more than certificates, and that's why most of their citizens don't have any certificates, yet are made bosses over we that have studied so much. Even in Nigeria, if you have a foreign masters and apply for or work without any work experience, you should still be considering an entry level in most cases, though, the masters might give you an edge after some years of experience. I have a friend who has two masters here in the UK already but no single work experience, she is frustrated already and her father has given up on her after spending more than £40k on her masters and nothing is forth coming from it.
The bottom line of my epistle is, if you are a fresh graduate, please, a foreign masters is not your first option, you sgould probably use the money for something else, and if you have a good job for now, think twice before quitting it for the UK because things are not picking up yet in the UK and their citizens come first, especially those that were laid off during this recession, and they are about 2.5 million already. So, consider postponing your coming to the UK till sometime in the future when it becomes truly the so-called "greener pasture" again.
Best of lucks and lots of love to you all!!!
TRU TALK MY BROTHERS!! I JUST GRAD AND GOT A JOB IN THE OIL AND GAS ENGINEERING DESIGN SECTOR!! A FEW FRIENDS OF MINE HAVE BEEN ADVISING ME TO DO A MASTERS IMMEDIATELY DUE TO MY OUTSTANDING PERFORMANCE AS AN UNDER-G BUT IV STUDIED THE CLIMATE AND FOUND OUT ITS NOT THE RIGHT TIME.. UR RESPONSES HAS, AS WELL, DRIVEN HOME MY FEARS... THANKS BROTHERS!! ;) ;) ;)
@Obogho & Red devil,
I appreciate the comments that you both has made, many people actually thought i was discouraging people fro going for masters when i initiated this thread never knowing that i am helping them realise the present business circumstances and the need to think properly before making such a decision...
Once more, i hope that things look up for you too and that u get something good soon enough....
Slimboi,I must say that your post did not pass postivity to the minds of young Nigerians out there.Not everything is meant to be said publicly.UK certificates still remain more respected than Nigerian certificate! Infact,there are alot of things to be said....................... ciaoQuote:
Originally Posted by slimboi
@Bumsy2k3, with you lat comment "Slimboi,I must say that your post did not pass postivity to the minds of young Nigerians out there.Not everything is meant to be said publicly" I will say u are one of those Nigerians that are not ready for a change. Things like this should be said publicly so that we can all learn.
As i have said people with the experience of school n living in these countries should place comments so we can all learn. Slimboi is passing positivity n making the young gun realise wats inportant and when.
u guys are very correct in your postings,indeed everybody has different destinies.but the fact remains that travelling abroad for ur masters does automatically confer a special privilege,u still have to hustle like the rest.i was privileged to get to the very last stage of the (guinness)diageo early career program for procurement and of the last 9 standing,we had 2 people with uk masters.it did not confer any special status on them and they would earn the same thing with their naija brothers if they are employed.though i did not get the job again,it opened my eyes to the fact that most times when the abroad masters guy is employed as a fresher without much experience,which they are most times,there salary is not different from their local nigerian counterparts,so brothers wise up,use that money to either start a biz,or go to the prestigious lagos businees school for ur masters.but all in all,just believe in God,success really comes from above not abroad.
Well said brother.......i couldn't agree moreQuote:
Originally Posted by chiboyo
tanx house,this is quite enlightening.actually longin 2 travel abroad for 4da studies.perhaps'll tink twice since i hv sth doing,though d pay is not much.
Well after readin You article. i didnt want to respond but i find it hard to keep it to myself.
The question is geting a job is not the matter of certificate is what u got in your brain; that is what u can offer.
Using Myself for example. i got a job as civil engineer in one nigeria consulting a year before finish my undergradute education while thousands of graduate are still looking for job
This is highly enlightening!.our fresh graduates need to no more of what's happening over there cos we re some wat filled with illusions of greatness if only we can earn a foreign degree.
Well,while i respect an individual's right to freedom of expression,i also find it so annoying,wicked and a complete indication of ignorance for someone to have started this thread ab-initio.
The discussion here is an absolute nonsense.I reckon the posters intention is to further encourage and confirm the fears of people who live the bloody days of their miserable life listening to what others got to say.
For chrissake,Nigeria has been in recession since early 90's yet folks find good jobs while others dont..True,Uk is in a recession but plssssssss,be informed that folks still find and get correct jobs.England is a fully developed economy,not everyone will fit into the system.A good number of Nigerians cant even construct a complete statement.
Unemployment is everywhere in the world and i find it so disgusting to find a few educated fools misleading the public here.for those advising people not to come to UK,pls answer the following questions honestly and post your reply
1. Has your experience in UK improved your level of exposure?
2. Did you honestly find schooling here a total waste of time?
3. You and I know deeply the reward prospects in the future..Yes or No5. Is every Nigerian in the UK jobless or doing menial jobs as alleged here?what proportion even and sincerely let people at home know how jobs are regulated here..Inform them a properly trained security guy earns more than most bankers in Nigeria.
6. Inform them that in UK,even without an office job,you get other jobs to keep you busy and still live a normal life..Send money home and save.
For those having a second thought,its your life and choice but be informed that what you think is a well paying job will
4. Did you experience any improvement in your communication skills?
later be not enough for you and your family(mean wife and kids)and to make it pathetic,it strands you if unluckily you loose your job.Coming to UK is a lifetime investment and sacrifice which is beyond measure..You cant place a measurement on the advantage.Yes,because here is developed,you cant fit into the system as we imagine but with time and good adaptable skills,everything will be ok.Even if at anytime you decide to go back home,you will never be the same person again unless you only came here and never mixed with other races.
Bottom Line,the proprietor of companies you all are seeking to work with made an investment at some point with the risk of either failing or otherwise.If you dont live your comfort zone to risk a better future,others will later come to you,catch up with you and overtake in the shortest period of time.
Up to you to decide your future not listening to some freaking loosers!
Its alaming the in which nigerian both adult and tenagers make stupid decision about there future all in the name of a better life and more money, and at the end of the day, it become a regretable event. i think what we can do (naija pals) is to keep talking about what is happennig in the outside world
Well,while i respect an individual's right to freedom of expression,i also find it so annoying,wicked and a complete indication of ignorance for someone to have started this thread ab-initio.
The discussion here is an absolute nonsense.I reckon the posters intention is to further encourage and confirm the fears of people who live the bloody days of their miserable life listening to what others got to say.
For chrissake,Nigeria has been in recession since early 90's yet folks find good jobs while others dont..True,Uk is in a recession but plssssssss,be informed that folks still find and get correct jobs.England is a fully developed economy,not everyone will fit into the system.A good number of Nigerians cant even construct a complete statement.
Unemployment is everywhere in the world and i find it so disgusting to find a few educated fools misleading the public here.for those advising people not to come to UK,pls answer the following questions honestly and post your reply
1. Has your experience in UK improved your level of exposure?
2. Did you honestly find schooling here a total waste of time?
3. You and I know deeply the reward prospects in the future..Yes or No
4. Did you experience any improvement in your communication skills?
5. Is every Nigerian in the UK jobless or doing menial jobs as alleged here?what proportion even and sincerely let people at home know how jobs are regulated here..Inform them a properly trained security guy earns more than most bankers in Nigeria.
6. Inform them that in UK,even without an office job,you get other jobs to keep you busy and still live a normal life..Send money home and save.
For those having a second thought,its your life and choice but be informed that what you think is a well paying job will
later be not enough for you and your family(mean wife and kids)and to make it pathetic,it strands you if unluckily you loose your job.Coming to UK is a lifetime investment and sacrifice which is beyond measure..You cant place a measurement on the advantage.Yes,because here is developed,you cant fit into the system as we imagine but with time and good adaptable skills,everything will be ok.Even if at anytime you decide to go back home,you will never be the same person again unless you only came here and never mixed with other race.
Bottom Line,the proprietor of companies you all are seeking to work with made an investment at some point with the risk of either failing or otherwise.If you dont live your comfort zone to risk a better future,others will later come to you,catch up with you and overtake in the shortest period of time.
Up to you to decide your future, not listening to some freaking loosers!
We cant all succeed in jand and i honestly think its wrong to discourage people publicly..The comments here aint even up to hundred for f**k sake..Its not a nice thing to do really..Destiny differ and that explains why people need to make decisions based on what they believe and want in life.Making conclusions based on other people's experience will only cause fear of failure which eventually leads to poverty now or later..
Coming To UK for me has transformed me completely in a positive way.
What you think you know in Nigeria is nada when you come down here..Its a sacrifice which brings good result later in life.Guarantee!
Seek God first in everything you do.
And for pleasure after work,av had sex with a Romanian who grew up in spain,chinese,polish,tanzanian,british,british born Nigerian(most useless though)...wots left is a Jamaican,Pakistani or South American...lol
Havind read through your post in great detail, i see no evidence of u being learned , with the number of swear words u used in ur posts, u are no doubt the worst contributor to this read and if u ever read i between the lines, u would have understood the reason for this thread but unfortunately u couldn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by dremoney
I would kindly suggest u carry over your aggression else where.....Cheers